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Angel out of character? Not really. [Saturday 13 Mar 2010 at 02:00 am]
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Would it be a significant change for Angel to really be Twilight? Is the Angel we know the type to kill two hundred six slayers and countless ordinary humans? Could he be trying to f@#% Buffy and also to destroy her? Would he decide that the end justified the means even ehan that meant leading his supposed forever love to destruction?

Compare.

"Good, bad, Angel, Angelus— None of it makes a difference. I wish it did, but, you know, an ant with the best intentions or the most diabolical schemes is just exactly an ant. There is one thing in this business, in this apocalypse that we call a world that matters: Power. Power tips the scale, power sets the course, and until I have real power, global power, I have nothing. I accomplish nothing."

Comics.

"I didn't kill anyone. This was happening... You really don't know how much worse it could have been? Powerful people--Governments--lining up to wipe out the 'terrorists' you created. Demons weren't thrilled either."

Thx, BVDDB.
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[User Picture]From: elisi
Saturday 13 Mar 2010 at 10:31 am (UTC)
I feel compelled to point out that the former speech was designed to alienate all his friends and prove that W&H had corrupted him. (And it worked, they all left, shaking their heads in disgust.)
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[User Picture]From: stormwreath
Saturday 13 Mar 2010 at 01:10 pm (UTC)
I agree... I think *this* speech is a more apt comparison to Angel's position in S8:

EVE: We're a business, and we have a bottom line. Now, you could take your new client list and start hacking away from the top down. A lot of our clients are demons, and... almost all of them are evil.

ANGEL: Almost?

EVE: Things are always more complicated than they seem, champ. You can shut this place down, but... then...well, then you wouldn't have it anymore. If the place closes down, the connections dry up. Evil goes next door. This is the catch—I'm explaining the catch so you don't have to stand around wondering what it is. See, in order to keep this business running, you have to keep this business running. And that means keeping your clients—most of them, anyway—happy.

GUNN: Means letting them get away with stuff.

EVE: Sweetie, they were getting away with it while you were all sitting around your hotel waiting for the phone to jangle. Well, you're on the ins now, and you can stop the worst of it. Maybe find some new solutions to some old problems. Come on! Isn't anybody excited? This is a crazy time of fun. The most powerful evil around has given a pivotal position over to its sworn enemies. You're not scared, are you?


Though the Black Thorn storyline does indeed prove that Angel is very good at pretending to be evil, and fooling other evil people into believing he's one of them.
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[User Picture]From: elisi
Saturday 13 Mar 2010 at 02:13 pm (UTC)
To be honest, we should probably wait until we find out exactly *what* Twangel has been doing, and why. Presuming Joss ever feels like telling us...

::is still waiting for an explanation for Buffy-the-Bankrobber::
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[User Picture]From: rahirah
Saturday 13 Mar 2010 at 04:20 pm (UTC)
That's the thing - I could easily come up with half a dozen reasons Angel might be doing this. But without knowing which (if any) of those is correct, it's impossible to decide how to evaluate his actions.

And Joss seems to have decided that this whole 'motivation' thing is useless, anyway...
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