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Thoughts on Buffy Comics 8/35 [Wednesday 5 May 2010 at 06:50 pm]
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These are my thoughts on reading. Better thinking will have to wait.



-Is that Season One Angel? He's so stiff and child-like.
-That little thing is no better than being naked, Buffy
-I could be a comics artist, if I can just find that matchbook
-"When you're born into the world, you vacate the old one. It becomes utterly expendable." So now moms are just as useless as dads in the Buffyworld. Nuts to you, Joss. I love my parents.
-Burma. Not Myanmar. Satsu is a liberal reformer, probably likes Aung San Suu Kyi. She's rapidly becoming the only character I like in these comics.
-"though...Burma?" So Dawn likes the military Junta instead?
-So Angel is a jerk and useless and kind of evil. He's been that way since Welcome To The Hellmouth.
-I've never bought the idea that Angel is only evil to protect people he likes. Angel tries not to be evil when he has that soul, but he can't resist the temptation to use power and strength for his own benefit and pleasure no matter whom it hurts. Again and again. That's how he's always been on BtVS and his own show. This is kind of extreme, but it's not out of character.
-Until Spike arrived, Wesley was always the protagonist of AtS for me.
-Is this white-background part supposed to be some kind of nasty commentary on delusional die-hard Angel/Buffy shipper fans?
-Because if it is, I don't like it.
-Willow seems, well, really still too positive about what Angel's done.
-"you don't know what came all over you" Eeew.
-"oh, this is gonna be good." Right, Willow.
-"oh, this is gonna be bad." Right, Buffy.
-Spike's head is recognizable, but whose hands are reaching around him from behind? Maybe it'll be his new girlfriend.

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[User Picture]From: elisi
Thursday 6 May 2010 at 06:15 am (UTC)
I've got to disagree about Angel. From S3 forward, everything he's done has been for the benefit of Connor, even selling out himself, his redemption, and all his friends to W&H. Unless Connor is *dead* I can't see him casually abandoning him like this. Generally he's often stupid and thickheaded and makes decisions for others - also thinking that he deserves nothing good and then wallows in self pity.

ETA: angearia has put it much better:

But when it comes to Angel's wants and needs, he doesn't believe he deserves forgiveness. He doesn't deserve happiness at the cost of others. That's why he beseeched the Oracles to turn back the clock in I Will Remember You--he gave up his personal happiness with Buffy, his humanity, to save her and others. He offered his life to save Darla. Angel is ultimately selfless even in his ultimate selfishness--his acts of selflessness are inspired by those he loves

Edited at 2010-05-06 06:29 am (UTC)
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[User Picture]From: ubi4soft
Thursday 6 May 2010 at 10:52 am (UTC)
Spike's head is recognizable, but whose hands are reaching around him from behind? Maybe it'll be his new girlfriend.

The skank from Hells Bells? Oh, no got to be Sheila from School Hard thinking about the red shirt outfit.
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[User Picture]From: eowyn_315
Thursday 6 May 2010 at 02:11 pm (UTC)
So now moms are just as useless as dads in the Buffyworld. Nuts to you, Joss. I love my parents.

Seeeeeeriously. They have therapists for this sort of thing, Joss.

This is kind of extreme, but it's not out of character.

I (strongly) disagree. I thought Emmie explained it well - it's not that he's such a good person all the time, but even when he's being a total douche, he's always, always doing it for other people. He doesn't ever pursue things for his own benefit and pleasure unless it helps someone he loves - because he doesn't believe that he deserves anything for himself. That's what's so screwy about this Angel - he thinks he deserves happiness at the expense of the entire world, and that's the antithesis of Angel.
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[User Picture]From: infinitewhale
Thursday 6 May 2010 at 04:42 pm (UTC)

This is kind of extreme, but it's not out of character.

I'd say it's out of character in the sense that even he's not so stupid as to buy into that scheme. But my question is: Why are people surprised? The title character of the Buffyverse has had her character butchered by plot contrivances since the first issue, so I don't think anyone is safe.

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